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"Gainful Employment: Hearing all sides" is a special episode of Radio Higher Ed which presents four views of the proposed gainful employment rule to be released by the US Department of Education. Contributors include: David Bergeron, Vice President for Postsecondary Education at the Center for American Progress (CAP); David Baime, Senior Vice President for Government Relations and Policy Analysis for the American Association of Community Colleges (AACC); Steve Gunderson, President and CEO of the Association of Private Sector Colleges and Universities (APSCU); and Cheryl Lovell, President of Rocky Vista University, the nation’s only for-profit osteopathic medical school. Panelists provide history and context for the rule, along with potential impacts, especially with regard to the different types of institutions covered by the rule. Additionally, panelists discuss how Gainful Employment represents a landmark in federal education policy and offer their own suggestions for changes to the purposed rule. The discussion concludes with remarks regarding accountability and its future in higher education.

Interview facilitation, commentary and discussion presented by Kathryn Dodge, Alison Griffin, and Elise Scanlon of Radio Higher Ed.

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Copyright © 2014 Radio Higher Ed . All Rights Reserved. Podcast Intro and Exit music by Won (FLT RSK) / CC BY-NC 3.0 Produced in conjunction with the Average Guy Podcast Network.

RadioHigherEd033F001.mp3 (6437 kB)
Bergeron provides background, context and mechanics of the proposed Gainful Employment Rule (6:52)

RadioHigherEd033F002.mp3 (6667 kB)
Gunderson and Baime comment on the coverage and impact of the proposed rule on career and community colleges (7:07)

RadioHigherEd033F003.mp3 (3041 kB)
Lovell discusses the unintended consequences for graduate medical education in the private career sector (3:14)

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Gunderson discusses potential collateral damage of the proposed rule (4:26)

RadioHigherEd033F005.mp3 (8094 kB)
Guests offer suggestions for changing the proposed rule (8:38)

RadioHigherEd033F006.mp3 (2085 kB)
Gainful employment as landmark federal higher education policy making (2:13)

RadioHigherEd033F007.mp3 (2866 kB)
Challenges of the current policy environment for higher education (3:03)

RadioHigherEd033F008.mp3 (3435 kB)
The dangers of one-size-fits-all approaches to higher education regulation(3:39)

RadioHigherEd033F009.mp3 (5334 kB)
Innovation the key to lessening the impact of gainful employment (5:41)

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Thoughts on an accountability framework for higher education (14:35)