1 00:00:16,190 --> 00:00:16,690 So. What'd you guys think? 2 00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:20,240 It was fun. What? Oh, wait. Wait, wait, wait. 3 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:22,880 Thank you, Sarah. 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:24,530 We don't have Ben here. Oh yeah, that's true. 5 00:00:26,610 --> 00:00:30,450 Um, today was fun. It was really high energy again which was great. Ironically. 6 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,220 Yeah. 7 00:00:37,660 --> 00:00:42,670 No I thought it was - everyone got really invested in the discussions they were having. Um. Which was cool. Yeah. 8 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:50,180 I thought the resources were great. The handouts were great. The overall idea was great. 9 00:00:52,950 --> 00:00:53,450 So, like, I thought it was well thought out. 10 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:55,230 Thank you. I will say with the handouts, 11 00:00:56,500 --> 00:01:00,960 Sean made a very good point. And he pressed me to, like, the max. It was kind of like my 12 00:01:02,050 --> 00:01:03,330 Going in front of my committee members. 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:05,200 He pressed me so hard. 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,980 regarding the pounds per megawatt hour. He's like, "What does that mean?" 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,480 And I didn't have the conversion down on the chart because there's so 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,700 many different versions of cubic tons to- cubic feet to short tons and it just falls 17 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:24,050 through the cracks when you have five different fuels going on. So I told him I'd post on Blackboard a 18 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,830 follow up to that. I'm like, I can follow up with something. Like, I don't know right now and 19 00:01:28,830 --> 00:01:33,730 he seemed OK with that but he was very argumentative with that. And 20 00:01:33,730 --> 00:01:38,220 then the whole, "Oh yeah, we'll have 5 people in each group, but we only have groups of 4. 21 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:43,160 Did not even see that. Completely overlooked it so I'm like- I beat myself up. I'm like, "I can't believe I did that." 22 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,440 No. It's fine. I mean, I think it was fine. They all had plenty to discuss still so. 23 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:53,710 Yeah. And I went over- I tried to make sure that I went to each group to kind of- I'm like, "OK. What did you not have?" 24 00:01:53,710 --> 00:01:58,610 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then try to give them a briefing. Okay. 25 00:01:58,610 --> 00:02:01,310 But I felt like they- I was a little surprised and 26 00:02:01,310 --> 00:02:04,750 kind of excited at the fact that they were able to get some of the information that came out of it. 27 00:02:04,750 --> 00:02:09,660 Especially, like, the biodiesel. Understanding that transesterification process. 28 00:02:09,660 --> 00:02:13,100 And I had gone over when Jake was talking about it and he explained it very well. 29 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:14,570 And in a manner that they would understand. 30 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:18,350 And regarding connections and stuff: 31 00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:21,300 they did start to use some of their data, that they were given. 32 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:25,950 And I was really excited about that. I had done- actually made all the handouts myself. 33 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:30,740 Because there wasn't one specific article I could give them on this, which wasn't biased or- Right. 34 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,530 And without giving them too much information so 35 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:40,190 I had to create all the handouts by myself. But I think it went well. 36 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:44,290 I really enjoyed the discussion. I was a little worried about time to be honest. 37 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:49,640 And how the timing was going to work and I don't know how you guys thought my timing went or- But 38 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:55,560 I think the discussion part went really well. I'm glad I left a lot of time for that. Mmhmm yeah. 39 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,940 I- at the start they moved a lot quicker than I think I was expecting. 40 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:06,430 And then- but I think they had plenty of time to do the discussions they needed to. And 41 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:12,050 I was a little worried about how you're going to fill all that time at the end 42 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:16,990 because it's like whether or not they ask questions would really drive that but 43 00:03:16,990 --> 00:03:20,690 everyone was really interested. Yeah I was really scared about that. But everyone was so engaged 44 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:23,820 in the discussion that it worked out really because it gave them an opportunity for 45 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:28,880 actual discussion to happen amongst. I thought a lot of the discussions that came up- like each 46 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,360 one had like a new point that, like, other people hadn't considered. Like at least one new point that people hadn't even considered. 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,360 So it brought more to the table. Even if they, like- even if 3 or 4 other groups picked biodiesel anyways. 48 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,610 Yeah. I was worried about that- is that they were all going to pick the same thing and they were going to say that's it. 49 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:48,870 And I just got really nervous when I'm like, "Oh wait. This might not work out very well." 50 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:52,480 I was trying to play Devil's advocate and walk around and be like, "Are you sure that's a good fuel?" 51 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Like, you know, "You might want to think about this." Sarah did the same thing. 52 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,000 I overheard Sarah saying, "There's too many people on the planet anyway." 53 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,660 And one of the students said that. I know. I looked directly at you when they said that. I'm like, "Gah." 54 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:13,730 You're welcome. No. I mean I did the same thing to ones of the groups was picking biodiesel. 55 00:04:13,730 --> 00:04:17,710 And they're like, "Yeah, well, you know, it's got these and it has this one drawback, but that's like it." 56 00:04:17,710 --> 00:04:21,610 And I was like, "Well-" I think I popped in at that point. You were talking about, like, the deforestation. 57 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:25,930 Yeah, I was like, "Well what about all that land?" They said they'll use land that's already being used and 58 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:29,150 I was like, "Well, if that land is already being used, like what does that mean?" They're like "Oh no. Food." 59 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,410 And they're like, "Well, no." And their first reponse was, "Oh, but they're already using land." I was like, "Is that 60 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:41,210 enough land to convert the whole country to only using biodiesel?" And they're like, "Oh." 61 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,950 And then they're like, "Oh no! We have nothing now!" Like, I'm not- They got frustrated and 62 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:50,440 then they all looked depressed at the end. Oh no. 63 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,870 They're like, "There's no hope." 64 00:04:54,280 --> 00:05:01,510 Yeah, there was a really heated discussion- debat, I think can use that word, between 65 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:06,830 Charles and John. Oh, I did not catch that. Oh, it was- they were kind of going at it. 66 00:05:06,830 --> 00:05:11,330 Not in a- they were both still, like, being- 67 00:05:12,620 --> 00:05:17,310 Neither of them was getting, like, aggressive. Like, you know, like with them 68 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:22,160 but they were both like, "No! You're crazy!" He was like, "Yeah, just-" And he was like, "Ahh!" 69 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,990 And, like, John's brain was exploding. 70 00:05:26,470 --> 00:05:26,970 Yeah. So. 71 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:33,200 Which was pretty fun to watch. And I think this was a nice little break for them as 72 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:39,860 well because one of them- John said to me, "Thank you for not doing a poster." 73 00:05:41,380 --> 00:05:44,870 He's like, "We have done so many posters." I know. They did four in a row I think. 74 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:53,100 Yeah. He's like, "Plea-thank you, thank you." And I felt kind of like Devil's advocate a little bit, of asking them a question. 75 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:57,270 Like, after they presented their material. But I want that- the reason why I did that was so that 76 00:05:57,270 --> 00:06:00,360 they can get used to people asking them questions about what they just said. 77 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,290 I'm really glad you did. I think that was good. Because you didn't ask anything that was- 78 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:09,890 You didn't ask anything that pushed them intellectually beyond 79 00:06:09,890 --> 00:06:14,450 their comfort zone so it gave- they gave an answer that they all should have been able to 80 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:19,650 answer. So all they had to deal was, like, the discomfort of being asked a question 81 00:06:19,650 --> 00:06:22,170 which I think is an important step towards getting comfortable. 82 00:06:22,170 --> 00:06:25,400 I'm really glad Chris stepped in on a couple of the questions because 83 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,400 in my head I'm like, "Uhh, I don't want to go into that." Yeah. 84 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:32,010 But their questions were interesting. I will say that. 85 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:37,830 Any other thoughts guys? Any criticisms? 86 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:42,340 Th only think I think is- the only thing that I think was not 87 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:46,540 as like overt as a lot of- kind of- as it's been through the rest of the 88 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:48,740 the semester was the connection to heat. 89 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,170 Which I think - If I remember your follow- up question activity asks them to think about 90 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:59,880 heat more. Right. So that I think will be interesting to see how well they're able to connect 91 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,240 the discussions. That's why I had included combustion at the beginning and 92 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,460 had them read a whole thing on combustion and complete combustion and then some of their 93 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:14,770 things include combustion so they can see where this heat is coming from as well. And 94 00:07:14,770 --> 00:07:18,090 like, the fuel cells, that shows heat coming off as well so 95 00:07:18,090 --> 00:07:21,840 they're seeing where this heat- especially in the actual... 96 00:07:23,170 --> 00:07:23,730 Now I have to remember. 97 00:07:25,970 --> 00:07:31,160 The home heating. With the natural gas furnace. Yeah. 98 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,890 That uses a heat exchanger. And they're actually able to say, like, "Hey the combustion gave heat and it was able to be exchanged 99 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:40,690 to be blown around the house as well," so. Okay. Yeah. So that's the only reason why, but 100 00:07:40,690 --> 00:07:44,940 I definitely understand what you mean by it didn't play out in my head how I wanted 101 00:07:44,940 --> 00:07:50,670 to, but I guess I... I think it was a really loiely discussion and I think they 102 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:54,600 should be able to make those connections. But- so hopefully in the homework they do that. 103 00:07:55,780 --> 00:07:58,780 I think there is a couple things I was kind of looking out for to see whether or not 104 00:07:58,780 --> 00:08:04,000 they actually bring up those topics that are relevant. So, that was one of them: heat transport. The other one 105 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,630 was, I think, like, just the limited number of resources. Some people talked about that. 106 00:08:09,630 --> 00:08:10,590 Whereas, like, others, you know, a finite amount of 107 00:08:11,630 --> 00:08:12,220 the fuel. 108 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:17,900 Some people I don't think picked up on that. That was why I questioned Sean about that. I'm like, 109 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,990 "So, what happens when we run out?" Yeah, so. Just find another one! 110 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:26,270 That was their group's approach, was- and this was the debate, that it was John 111 00:08:26,270 --> 00:08:30,680 versus primarily Charlie, but I think Charles was just the one speaking up for 112 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,360 the rest of the group, but that was- John was like "It's going to run out so 113 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,520 we should use less of what we have so that it lasts for longer," and 114 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,090 Charles was like "That's stupid." He's like, "Let's just use it all and then we'll find something else." And 115 00:08:42,090 --> 00:08:47,230 he was like, "No!" And he's like, "Why do you need it to last?" They all went through the fatalistic approach. 116 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:51,190 Yeah. And so that was that was kind of their group's approach to it. It was like, "Well, let's use it 117 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:54,660 until it's gone and then we'll figure something else out." Oh. That's good. 118 00:08:54,660 --> 00:08:59,330 And I wanted to probe them. I didn't get a chance to. I wanted to ask them though, "Like, okay, but what 119 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:05,340 drives innovation? Technological innovation?" And part of that is 120 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:10,160 the pressure to have to. I wanna- Versus if we just keep using fossil fuels 121 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:15,710 until they run out... at that point... What happens when we run out and we don't have anything to produce anything else? 122 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:19,560 Right. If we step back and we have- you're forced to find alternatives 123 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:21,650 then that applies some of the pressure that might drive innovation. But- 124 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,850 Winning it- It's off topic anyway. 125 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:28,630 It was very interesting to see their connections 126 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:30,380 and questions. 127 00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:36,010 John's like, "Well, why can't we do this?" And he's like- it was really cool to see his 128 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:39,390 out-loud thinking process. He's like, "Well doesn't that produce this?" 129 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:45,260 And, like, with the CO, and he's like, "Then you could have, you know, something produce and then it 130 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:47,940 comes in and produces th-" And then he's like, "Wait. What." 131 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:51,550 In my mind, my thought was like, "Why can't we just use all the carbon dioxide?" 132 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:57,770 I'm like, "Well, if we use all the carbon dioxide..." That's why- I didn't mean to put you on the spot either. No it's fine. 133 00:09:57,770 --> 00:10:00,150 I was like, Sarah knows this. I'm like, Sarah. 134 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:06,770 I was glad that someone brought up the ecology. From my own personal- that ecology 135 00:10:06,770 --> 00:10:09,380 came up because to me that's a huge part of that decision. 136 00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:16,140 Homeless animals. 137 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:22,610 Any other things from you guys? I noticed at the very beginning of class that the students were intimidated by 138 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:29,190 having to pick someone with a strong science background. Yes they were. That they were all like, "Well, that's not me. 139 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:33,850 Anybody? No, no, not me." They were all kind of like, "Uh. Nope. Back away." 140 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,300 Which I thought was interesting. "Billy, what do you mean by science background?" 141 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,870 I think one of them was like, "I took high school chemistry." Perfect. You're it. 142 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,580 You've got the job. 143 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,670 Yeah, that was cute. 144 00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:52,840 Yeah. They were very hesitant on that. 145 00:10:54,390 --> 00:10:58,510 And Kelly spoke up a few times which was really nice to see as well. Some of the quiet 146 00:10:58,510 --> 00:11:02,440 people. And I think everybody, it looked to me - at least from circling around - everybody 147 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,990 except for only one person in a group was actively discussing what was going on. 148 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:10,720 I thought the group dynamics were really good. 149 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,030 Especially on, like- especially in the rotated groups. I think part of it is that it was 150 00:11:16,030 --> 00:11:22,560 a relatable topic for everyone. They could really like have an opinion on it. 151 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:28,030 So I think that helped. It was a little- it was a step removed from the science and 152 00:11:28,030 --> 00:11:31,110 I think that gave people more comfort. For better or worse. 153 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,280 But that meant that the group dynamics was really nice. I mean, you had- when I saw how kind of the groups fell out 154 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:43,250 that you had John, Charles, Tamin, Sean all in a group 155 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:46,870 and those are four, like, strong personalities. 156 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:53,780 They could easily have butted heads, but they didn't. They were still very productive. And 157 00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:56,630 they did- they debated with each other and pushed each other but it didn't turn negative. 158 00:11:56,630 --> 00:12:02,100 And then you had Mandy, Kalai, Heather, and- 159 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:02,600 Who else was in that group? 160 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:10,490 Um. Was it Emma? No, Emma was with Samantha. 161 00:12:13,890 --> 00:12:14,390 Who else was in that group? Amanda. 162 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:20,320 Oh Amanda. And those are all very soft spoken people. And so 163 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,870 I thought- it was inter-I mean we haven't had those groups fall out entirely like that before. So you 164 00:12:23,870 --> 00:12:26,980 had like a really strong personality and then the soft-spoken people and, like, 165 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,900 all of them participated in their groups. It was really nice. And I'm kind of glad looking 166 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:35,430 back on it that I put Charles and John together because they're very outspoken. 167 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:42,090 So they talk out loud to figure out their stuff so I thought that was 168 00:12:42,090 --> 00:12:47,230 pretty cool that they were able to- So did you-you plan out the groups yourself? Yes. 169 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:53,260 I picked- my first step was to determine- put all the super sciency people and, like, 170 00:12:53,260 --> 00:12:56,940 rate them on their their science knowledge. Like I know has taken organic because I've 171 00:12:56,940 --> 00:13:00,320 been in organic with him so I know he'd be okay with the tranesterification of 172 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,680 biodiesel. And be able to tell students- because that I was really worried about 173 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,360 students getting. Because their structure and they're like, 174 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:10,140 "What is that? There's lines." 175 00:13:11,350 --> 00:13:16,300 And it was really good for Jake to be there. Sean, I 176 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:20,390 wanted to make sure he was on the hydrogen fuel because- no, sorry. Was it Kyle? 177 00:13:21,610 --> 00:13:22,980 Kyle. Yeah. 178 00:13:22,980 --> 00:13:26,050 I wanted to make sure Kyle was in hydrogen fuel as well because I know Kyle has 179 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:29,240 a chemistry background so he'd be able to understand 180 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,290 the electrochemical cell a little bit more than the others. And then Sean was a 181 00:13:37,090 --> 00:13:42,120 crude oil I believe. And I put him there because I know he'd 182 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,790 be able to understand, like, the 4 stroke engine. He's very, like, step through logically so 183 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:51,620 that's why I put him with those specific people. And then I know Sam and 184 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:53,580 Emma are really strong as well. 185 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:55,920 So that's why I put them there. 186 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:58,840 It was interesting. 187 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:01,860 I don't know. I don't know how I feel. 188 00:14:03,270 --> 00:14:07,930 I mean, it was really funny class day. I think they were all into it. 189 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:12,120 It'll be interesting to see what their poster projects come out now. So I'm- I don't know if any of them 190 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:18,010 are going to go diving into fossil fuels or- I would expect that probably at least- 191 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:22,120 I'm expecting that at least one student will kind of dive into the topics that we explored. 192 00:14:24,610 --> 00:14:27,010 But I'm- I'm glad it was more of a relaxing day for them. 193 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:30,460 A little bit. So they got a chance to 194 00:14:32,010 --> 00:14:34,090 talk with each other. Because I didn't think they would be able to 195 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:37,180 I wasn't sure if they were going to talk to each other. I was a little nervous about that. 196 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,470 I'm like, "Let's see how this goes." I'm like- and I walked around and I told them, like, "Feel free to 197 00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:46,650 disagree with classmates." I'm like, "Ask them questions." And they're like, "OK. Sure." 198 00:14:48,610 --> 00:14:49,430 "Thanks for the invite." 199 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,470 Yeah I'm- 200 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:57,340 I'll be interested to see how Bauer kind of tries to wrap things together. 201 00:14:59,210 --> 00:15:01,010 Especially with, like, the chemical energy. 202 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:05,820 I'm planning on giving them- now I see where- like where I ended my class. 203 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:08,930 I plan on giving them, like, an article to kind of wrap up. 204 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:12,760 With an energy aspect of it. To try to wrap up 205 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,640 everything that they were talking about. So they'll get that on Tuesday. 206 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,990 So I'm still surfing for that. 207 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:21,390 Yeah. Yeah. I think it will be interesting because I think there were a lot of- 208 00:15:22,830 --> 00:15:27,090 Tuesday was again, like, a really high energy day. Everyone was really into their experiments, but 209 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:28,590 left some- there's some like- 210 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:33,950 Ben I think intentionally left things hanging a bit 211 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:35,530 to give them time to think it through. 212 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:41,150 So, it'll be inter- I'd like to see how Bauer's going to tie things together. 213 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:44,540 Because from my own, like, day that was a thing that I struggled- like, how do I- 214 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,820 my closing I felt was weak. And how did I, you know, wrap things up and 215 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:53,170 bring them together. Yeah, I felt- I was very nervous at the beginning and 216 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:57,200 I don't know how that panned out but 217 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,580 students were really receptive- really excited to talk with me which was a little 218 00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:04,000 weird because normally they're very quiet. And I kept poking them and 219 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,300 asking them questions which was fun, but I want to look at the recorder reports. 220 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:10,730 I don't know what Bauer's plans are for those, but I definitely want 221 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:14,540 to look at them because I told them "Write down questions if you have them," and 222 00:16:14,540 --> 00:16:17,410 I really kind of want to see what they felt were the important points and 223 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:22,230 then I'm going to obviously grade their reflections that they did. 224 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:26,740 I'm curious to see if Bauer will do- you know we each presented a different topic. 225 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:30,030 If, with the take-home exam, that there might be question based off of each of our things. 226 00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:35,010 In some way, shape, or form. He might. I think, he told me during- 227 00:16:35,010 --> 00:16:39,600 that if I had any- like, if I had an idea for like a question on the exam, 228 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,250 to just send that to him by Monday. Okay. So I think, he said- he said there's no guarantee 229 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:48,360 he'll actually use it, but if I had one that I wanted to suggest, then he would- 230 00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:55,780 That's pretty cool to connect with what they've been doing. Yeah. So I assume that would be standing for everyone. 231 00:16:55,780 --> 00:16:59,160 So if you have a question, an exam question, 232 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,250 in like a similar fashion of kind of the ones from the previous exams, 233 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:08,200 that you wanted to have him explore that's kind of related to- 234 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,290 Like, when- thinking back to it, like with Ben he had experiments to be able to explain what 235 00:17:13,370 --> 00:17:17,750 top- like parts of chemical energy there are. And I do feel that I could have gone 236 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:20,770 into more- like that's what I was trying to get with that conversion table; for 237 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:25,280 them to see the energy output of these things. That didn't pan out as well I hoped it did. 238 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Yeah. I think they struggled with interpreting that table a bit. 239 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Yeah, I think they did as well, but 240 00:17:33,550 --> 00:17:35,640 it's really hard trying not to get into the math of it. 241 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:40,990 And, like with Ben, he had experiments to kind of demonstrate some of the processes. 242 00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:44,410 Whereas trying to apply it, I could have applied it a lot better. 243 00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:48,160 That's how I feel about it anyway, but I think 244 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:52,910 if I can find an article to kind of help wrap-up like, "Oh, you've learned-" 245 00:17:52,910 --> 00:17:55,720 I might give them an intro like "Oh yeah, you've learned about endo/exo-thermic 246 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,010 reactions and 247 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:05,320 saw in the biodiesel paper that things were broken apart 248 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,560 to make new things," and trying to relate that a little bit. 249 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,690 But I don't know how that's going to pan out. I really don't. 250 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:19,710 It's really hard to find stuff, is what I discovered. That it's really hard to find 251 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:23,780 material that's like 252 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:27,720 appropriate for kind of, their, kind of 253 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:33,310 background. Science background. Yeah, and something that's not going to take them- 254 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:36,250 I mean I can give them any number of things and they can probably muscle their way through it, 255 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:39,760 but that's not the point. The point is not to make them muscle through 256 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,570 things. That was something I struggled with- was to find stuff that they could get 257 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:47,030 something out of that would, you know, engage them, challenge them a bit, but not 258 00:18:49,150 --> 00:18:53,040 overtask. Just a lot of your work- the work that you had- it was like, real research. 259 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,020 It was, you know, it was at that academic level. Whereas, like, the stuff that 260 00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:02,580 I pulled from was a lot of- there's a lot of merchant info, so it'd be stuff like 261 00:19:02,580 --> 00:19:07,290 suppliers talking about their products when it came to the factory or if it came to 262 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:13,510 one of the processes- talking about their process, but they would say it in a way 263 00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:18,260 that, yes it's scientifically-oriented, but it should be accessible to 264 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:21,800 say the plant manager who might not be science-oriented, might be business-oriented. 265 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,950 So, like, it needs to be accessible to both parties. 266 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,410 And I think that, like that, it was easy for me because that information was 267 00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:36,510 readily available I think, but not as readily available for like a research-level 268 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:42,360 topic. Yeah, well and I want- yeah. Yeah. 269 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:45,580 Yes. I agree. It's nice- because it's such a- 270 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:46,840 it's engineering and so it's 271 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:54,390 inherently spanning a broader spectrum of audience which is great. 272 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:59,560 We should do that more in biology. Same thing with chemistry. 273 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,450 It's kind of like, "Here is the chemical equation. You figure it out." 274 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:08,620 That's all I got. 275 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,500 Yeah? Cool. Cool. 276 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:18,150 You did all of your-